High Court Rules in High Profile Case

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High Court Rules in High Profile Case
Europeia v. Grizzli
Written by Matthew Williams

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(Europeia, June 19 2018) - The High Court, in recent days, handed down a ruling in the Europeia v. Grizzli case. A court cause which caught the attention of many in the region and caused a very lively and active discussion in Public Gallery.

The case was in relation to Grizzli, a former CA Chair and Senator in the region, lying on their citizenship application as Airbus and on the most recent return to the original Grizzli name. Whether the crime was committed or not was not up for discussion, as Grizzli pled guilty. The question and subsequent debate were over how tough the punishment for the crime should be. The Attorney General in his opening remarks asked for the maximum penalty for both crimes a 6-month ban for each crime to be carried out concurrently for a total of 6 months of punishment.

Grizzli defended himself in court and was originally planning to not post an argument but after the Attorney General recommended the maximum punishment he posted his own argument. In what may have been a surprise for some or not surprise to others he posted a seemingly well thought out and well-formatted argument tying his case to others such as Europeia v. JayDee which was a very similar case and received a punishment that was not the maximum punishment. Over in the Public Gallery, the discussion was lively in of itself. Most people agreed that perhaps a punishment of 6 months for each crime was a bit over the top as in Europeia v. JayDee, JayDee received a punishment much less than that. Some were saying that due to his past contributions to the region and potential future potential his sentence should be lightened as to “not rob the region of such potential” however some, like Aramor, said "I don't understand this sentiment - why should people get more relaxed punishments just because we think they're "valuable"? I'd hope in instances like these the law would remain impartial and enforce decisions and consequences, not (inherently arbitrary and biased) judgments of an individual's productivity."

Both the defense and prosecution gave its final arguments on June 7 before the High Court went into deliberation to come to a verdict on the case at hand. On June 12 the presiding Justice, The Rt. Hon. Darcness, delivered the verdict of the court. The court, in line with both the claims of the prosecution and admission of guilt from the defendant, found Grizzli guilty of both counts of lying on a citizenship application. The recommendation of the Attorney General of a 6 month concurrent ban was perhaps the base of the punishment given as the court sentenced Grizzli to 3 months of a ban for the first crime and 4 months for the second crime a grand total of 7 months, which is 5 months less than what the maximum sentence would have been. The Court also ordered Grizzli to be stripped of his citizenship but also stated that when his sentence is completed he shall be allowed to reapply for citizenship and the government should treat it as any normal citizenship application. The Court in explaining their ruling cited Grizzli's apparent lack of remorse for the crime he committed with Darcness saying in his ruling "And yet, that same admission of guilt included interspersed claims that no law was broken, and also that this same law would be broken in the future. He even claims that eight months is all it would take to violate this same law again. The Court is forced to wonder, at such an admission, if eight months is what it would take for Grizzli to learn a lesson as well."

However, not everyone was happy with the verdict. Some called it over the top and extreme. Such as HEM who said " This verdict is overly harsh and not what I had in mind when I encouraged Grizzli to return. Very disappointing, and slightly befuddling, ruling from Justice Darcness." Others called it unjust and even called into question of how the judiciary should work and what should be expected of such judiciary with Sen. Prim saying "...This sort of retributive justice is not what I value in our judiciary.". Some, however, did come to the defense of the judiciary with the Attorney General, Drecq, saying "Calling justice retributive simply because you disagree with it is perhaps not the best position to take." Grizzli has however been given the chance to come back at the end of his ban and perhaps then we will see if he is truly remorseful for the crimes he committed.

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[Drexlore Greyjoy]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

 

[Drecq]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

 

[Jay Dee]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

 

[Kari]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

 

[Matthew Williams]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

 

[Johnny Costello]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

 

[Lethen]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

 

[Drecq]

Amazing movie. I should go watch Dogma again.

Edit: Favorite quote: Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.

 

[Lethen]

Amazing movie. I should go watch Dogma again.

Edit: Favorite quote: Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.

The whole cast was great

 

[Le Libertie]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

 

[Jay Dee]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

 

[Lethen]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

Yes LL don't screw up. Please. It will spare us from hearing JayDee talk *yet again* about his poor judgment in the past and make some tongue-in-cheek joke about leaking logs.

 

[Kari]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

Yes LL don't screw up. Please. It will spare us from hearing JayDee talk *yet again* about his poor judgment in the past and make some tongue-in-cheek joke about leaking logs.

JD screwed up? :blink:

 

[Jay Dee]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

Yes LL don't screw up. Please. It will spare us from hearing JayDee talk *yet again* about his poor judgment in the past and make some tongue-in-cheek joke about leaking logs.

JD screwed up? :blink:

*Bursts in with PowerPoint presentation*

 

[Matthew Williams]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

Yes LL don't screw up. Please. It will spare us from hearing JayDee talk *yet again* about his poor judgment in the past and make some tongue-in-cheek joke about leaking logs.

JD screwed up? :blink:

*Bursts in with PowerPoint presentation*

"PowerPoint makes us stupid." -US Secretary of Defense James "Mad Dog" Mattis

 

[Drecq]

Great article covering a bad decision.

Good article covering a good decision.

Good article covering a controversial decision.

Good controversy covering a good article

A controversy involving an article covering a controversial decision.

If you're article causes "controversy" that makes you a good author so thanks everyone!

Experience tells me otherwise

I wrote the article, so technically the poll results caused the controversy.

I read the article, so I am the final cause of controversy according to Aristotle.

I am Aristotle, making me the cause of the final cause of controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well, Im Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, make me the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm also Sophroniscus father of Socrates, who taught Plato, who taught Aristotle, making me the cause of the cause of the cause of the cause of the final cause of the controversy, meaning that I am the true final cause.

Well I'm JayDee, and my head is spinning in confusion.

Barbarian

I am Jesus and y'all need help

Hello Judas here. How's the bracelets?

Oh hey Judas! Long time! To those of you confused, I'm Rufus, the 13th Apostle. I was written out of the Bible though because of racist white men.

:gentleman: Hope someone gets that reference

Holy mother of unnecessary quoting...
:baghead:

Way to be a team player LL

Yes LL don't screw up. Please. It will spare us from hearing JayDee talk *yet again* about his poor judgment in the past and make some tongue-in-cheek joke about leaking logs.

JD screwed up? :blink:

*Bursts in with PowerPoint presentation*

"PowerPoint makes us stupid." -US Secretary of Defense James "Mad Dog" Mattis

Powerpoint is a good way to present some things, but it's just waaaaaaaay overused and gets used for things it has no business being used for.

 

[GraVandius]

Alright, I'm all for discussion on EBC articles but the quote pyramid is boarding on simply spam at this point and has significantly deviated from the topic at hand.

 

[Drecq]

The article sparked a discussion, the natural course of which led us here. It might not be what the author or you wanted us to talk about but that is an important aspect of free and open debate. But Im fine with diverting debate to a new topic, such as: should the Ministry of Communications or the EBC moderate discussions in order to keep the coloring strictly within the lines of what they decide a topic should be about even though that will definitely stifle activity, creativity, and open debate?

Ps.: Powerpoint sucks.

 

[Kari]

Alright, I'm all for discussion on EBC articles but the quote pyramid is boarding on simply spam at this point and has significantly deviated from the topic at hand.

THOUGHT POLICE!


Edit:

The article sparked a discussion, the natural course of which led us here. It might not be what the author or you wanted us to talk about but that is an important aspect of free and open debate. But Im fine with diverting debate to a new topic, such as: should the Ministry of Communications or the EBC moderate discussions in order to keep the coloring strictly within the lines of what they decide a topic should be about even though that will definitely stifle activity, creativity, and open debate?

Ps.: Powerpoint sucks.

No the EBC has no right to attempt to limit free speech or the direction a conversation takes regarding a piece in the aftermath of it's publication, if there were to be flame baiting ect that would be an issue for the moderation team but does not fall under the purview of the EBC.

 

[Drecq]

Somewhat more succinctly put than me.

Edit: I agree. Though I can see the other side. When one creates something one feels a protectiveness of it. An author or editor could certainly feel like an article should spark a certain discussion and feel disappointed when the audience goes a different way. That is part of the creation of anything made for public consumption of course and shouldnt cause the creation of a control mechanism to force the discussion to go the way one wants, but it is still an understandable reaction.